This cache appeared on the challenge exception list - probably because it doesn't have the attribute I know the CO so messaged him about this and his reply was - this is not a challenge cache He put It is, in fact not a challenge cache. Challenge caches must have a specific challenge which must conform to certain rules that were in place at the time - not the same strict criteria in place today, but still rules applied by the reviewer. So what it really is is a "bluff" puzzle cache where the final coordinates are actually the same as published. Choosing and completing a challenge is optional and non-enforcable. There is a sentence saying this within the description - though I have said to him it is easily overlooked and to many this will be seen as a challenge cache. **Update** upon further discussion the CO has said "In its current form, cachers treat it as a challenge and that's cool. I guess I'd expect they'd want it to be counted in their stats as a challenge. However - Officially it's not a challenge cache in Groundspeak's eyes, because the challenge is variable and up to the individual, and also it is not enforceable, The reviewer would not allow it as a challenge at the time of publication and yes the requirement could have been seen to be an ALR - however it was published and has remained ever since. How it is voted on within the exception list will be down to the folk at PGC" So although this isn't a challenge cache in the COs eyes - the moderators will have to make their own mind up as to whether this is a challenge cache or not. Noting - there isn't a specific challenge set as criteria for this cache and there is NO requirement to actually set a challenge - finding and signing is all that is required. For those that do set their own challenge, it can range from 'find a cache' to 'find a cache every day for the next 5 years' The CO has no issue with whether this ends being voted up or down /forum/read.php?12,108566,108566#msg-108566 Mon, 08 Jun 2026 01:35:57 +0000 Phorum 5.2.23 /forum/read.php?12,108566,108566#msg-108566 /forum/read.php?12,108566,108566#msg-108566 I know the CO so messaged him about this and his reply was - this is not a challenge cache
He put
It is, in fact not a challenge cache. Challenge caches must have a
specific challenge which must conform to certain rules that were in place
at the time - not the same strict criteria in place today, but still rules
applied by the reviewer.

So what it really is is a "bluff" puzzle cache where the final coordinates
are actually the same as published. Choosing and completing a challenge is
optional and non-enforcable.

There is a sentence saying this within the description - though I have said to him it is easily overlooked and to many this will be seen as a challenge cache.

**Update** upon further discussion the CO has said
"In its current form, cachers treat it as a challenge and that's cool. I guess I'd expect they'd want it to be counted in their stats as a challenge.

However - Officially it's not a challenge cache in Groundspeak's eyes, because the challenge is variable and up to the individual, and also it is not enforceable, The reviewer would not allow it as a challenge at the time of publication and yes the requirement could have been seen to be an ALR - however it was published and has remained ever since. How it is voted on within the exception list will be down to the folk at PGC"

So although this isn't a challenge cache in the COs eyes - the moderators will have to make their own mind up as to whether this is a challenge cache or not.
Noting - there isn't a specific challenge set as criteria for this cache and there is NO requirement to actually set a challenge - finding and signing is all that is required.
For those that do set their own challenge, it can range from 'find a cache' to 'find a cache every day for the next 5 years'
The CO has no issue with whether this ends being voted up or down]]> Deepdiggingmole Challenge checker exceptions Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:41:54 +0000