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BluePanther51
[Awaiting feedback] Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 27, 2021 12:34AM
I got frustrated after transposing the d4t3.5 for the D3.5t4 I needed and thought it would make an interesting challenge. You still need 81 finds, but can use transposed digits so 2 d1t4 can be used instead of d4t1. Thus can be done for any of the combinations needed to complete a fizzy.


IJ + JI =2N



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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 28, 2021 07:07PM
What N are you looking for?

Also just to make sure I understand, someone can complete this with one cache on the diagonal elements and a total of two in the combination of the off diagonal pairs?

Someone whose fizzy grid looks like below would qualify for N=1. 
122222222
012222222
001222222
000122222
000012222
000001222
000000122
000000012
000000001
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 09:35PM
This example would be all green 
 122222222
 012222222
 001222222
 000122222
 000012222
 000001222
 000000122
 000000012
 000000001

This would show 5/1 and 1/5 red since that is the combi they are missing 
   12222222*0*
   012222222
   001222222
   000122222
   000012222
   000001222
   000000122
   000000012
 *0*00000001
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 28, 2021 09:59PM
Yes, I suspect most will only have a few gaps. I have done a few 4/5 and 4/3.5 when I wanted the opposite. This will make a 'fizzy' a bit easier.
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 29, 2021 01:19AM
So what value of N do you want? N=1?
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 29, 2021 02:59AM
I think one shows be fine.
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 29, 2021 04:44AM
Any limits on cache types or locations or anything else? Folks usually want locationless caches excluded.
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 12:38AM
I don't think type is too important, no point adding any difficulty.
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 01:16AM
Ok. Here you go. https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC9D79F/61724

Feedback is appreciated.
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 06:40AM
The center diagonal line is displaying twice the actual value
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 12:28PM
I am confused. I thought your ij notation was from the "normal" d/t matrix. Then the main diagonal for the "transposed" matrix would be ij+ji which is equal to 2*ii.

If you take the normal d/t matrix of 0,1, and 2 from above, then the "transposed" matrix is all 2's which is needed to pass the n=1 case.
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 04:22PM
The diagonal is where I and j are equal, so adding IJ and JI gives twice the needed value. It makes a consistent calculation, but I think not showing the actual DT values would be confusing.
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 07:16PM
Do you have a suggested remedy?
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 07:25PM
It should display toe actual values in the DT chart not 2n which is used to check for ant4ansposed pairing. MetMmeTraveller55 is one of my tests, they need a 5/3 and 5/5 to complete the fizzy. They have 2 3/5 but no 5/5 so still fail. Only the 5/5 should should be highlighted, and both should display 0
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 07:39PM
How will they know they have completed the challenge looking at that? It still seems confusing.
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 07:48PM
It would show the 5/5 as the only one they need since they have 2 3/5 to cover the 5/3
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 08:24PM
I am missing something. Can you do a mockup please?
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 10:14PM
Updated
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
June 30, 2021 11:16PM
Looks good. Found another local only 1 away from a Fizzy, but not sure this ranks as a D5 which she needs.
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sloth96
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
July 01, 2021 12:41AM
It depends where you are, but I would generally agree a fizzy is not a D5 and as this is easier than that, it would be something lower.

Hope to see it published soon.
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
July 01, 2021 05:47PM
I was reading over the guidelines for challenge D ratings. Some said it should include the dt ratings of the required finds. This requires the diagonal so to qualify you need at least 1 5/5, but the 25X fizzy challenge is also a D5. One suggestion was to use the rating from Project GC for difficulty but it has to be published before it gets a number. I was able to find a few people who do not qualify. Of course I can make the hide difficult to justify a higher number.
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vogelbird
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
July 01, 2021 06:09PM
You can not use the rating from Project GC for difficulty because the guidelines state that
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Challenge cache criteria must come from information broadly available on Geocaching.com and must be verifiable through information on Geocaching.com
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
July 01, 2021 06:23PM
The information for the challenge must come from Geocaching.com, but they do not have a rating for challenges. Project GC does assign a number from 1-100 for challenge difficult and this has been suggested as an useful guideline is assigning the D rating.
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vogelbird
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
July 01, 2021 07:03PM
Yes a guidence but no challenge criteria
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BluePanther51
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
July 07, 2021 07:50PM
Just picked up new containers, should be placed soon.
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vogelbird
Re: Checker for GC9D79F transposed fizzy
September 28, 2021 04:15PM
This thread has not received any further feedback and will therefor be moved to ARCHIVE Checker requests (completed). Should the requester have any queries he can raise his question on this thread in the archived section,



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