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Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2

[Resolved] Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 16, 2020 05:19PM
Hi!
I would like to have challenge checker for cache GC8KGP2.

This challenge cache requires you to find and log seven different types of geocaches from seven different municipalities in the same day. To make the task less easy you should do it all over again in the next day. So ín two days you'll have 14 different muncipalities and at least seven different types of geocaches.

Thank you!
-romdes-
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 16, 2020 05:33PM
This challenge is not allowed under the current guidelines

please read https://www.geocaching.com/help/index.php?pg=kb.chapter&id=127&pgid=206#timeLimited

Not acceptable
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Time-limited caching: as in some number of finds per day, week, month, or year. Example, Busy Day, 50 finds in a day, 500 finds in a month, etc.
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 07:04AM
Thanks for feedback, I was'nt really understood the rules.
So I changed the challenge to a quite different.

Is this possible:

This challenge cache requires you to find and log different types of geocaches from different municipalities in Finland. You have to follow next rules:

You must have found 10 different types of geocaches from 10 different muncipalities
You must have found 9 different types of geocaches from 9 different muncipalities 
You must have found 8 different types of geocaches from 8 different muncipalities 
You must have found 7 different types of geocaches from 7 different muncipalities 
You must have found 6 different types of geocaches from 6 different muncipalities 
You must have found 5 different types of geocaches from 5 different muncipalities 
You must have found 4 different types of geocaches from 4 different muncipalities 
You must have found 3 different types of geocaches from 3 different muncipalities 
You must have found 2 different types of geocaches from 2 different muncipalities 
You must have found 1 different types of geocaches from 1 different muncipalities 
YOU CAN'T USE THE SAME MUNCIPALITY TWICE!
So in the end you'll have 55 geocaches from different muncipalities.
All types of geocaches are allowed!

Geocache code is the same: GC8KGP2

-romdes-
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 01:14PM
I find it hard to understand the conditions of this challenge
What do you mean by "You must have found 10 different types of geocaches from 10 different muncipalities"
followed by "You must have found 9 different types of geocaches from 9 different muncipalities " etc

But then you say 55 caches in total

Do you mean
"10 different types of geocaches in 1 county"
" 9 different types of geocaches in an other county" etc
which amounts to 55 caches

Please clarify
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 02:41PM
I try to explain it in the another way:
In the end you will have 55 caches from 55 different counties. And you'll have 10 for example traditional caches from 10 different counties, 9 for example multi-caches from 9 different counties (which you haven't used already to those tarditional caches) 8 for example mystery caches from again 8 different counties etc. until in the end you'll have 1 for example MEGA from 1 county you haven't used. But you can choose those types of caches yourself, that's why I wrote rules like that at the first place.

Can you get the idea? Does it sound stupid? Or impossible? What would be the better way to explain it?
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 04:01PM
OK, now it is clear
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 04:48PM
I can't find a solution so most likely a script needs to be extended for this request

I mark this topic as a new script required
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 04:18PM
To help @romdes
This is a similar challenge involving countries (https://coord.info/GC8D97Q)

is this the same idea instead using counties ?
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 04:31PM
This challenge is for 11 countries but here the CO is looking to use 55 counties
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 17, 2020 04:52PM
Ah - OK can see that now - thought it was similar to the countries one - but not :-)
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 18, 2020 02:56PM
Interesting idea. I'll try to write the script
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 18, 2020 03:48PM
Fantastic! Kind of funny that nobody hasn’t asked this kind of challenge checker before.

To make sure the meaning of counties or muncipality I can say that I think there are counties atleast in nordic countries. In Finland there are about 310 counties, many of them are towns. And everyone of them has got their own leader. So, geocache from 55 Finnish county is not very hard challenge. But it’s little harder with those requires of different types of geocaches.
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 18, 2020 03:57PM
I have one concern that is the number of types because in some countries the reviewer only allows 9 different types.

It might be an idea to approach your reviewer about this



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Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 03:46PM
And... I first thought only counties in Finland would be counted to this challenge, but it could also be aprowed in another countries. Maybe it could be so that those 55 counties (and caches) could be in whatever country, but they should all be in one and same country? How does it sound?
It would be very cool if turist can log this challenge! There is kota of turists in the place where cache would be located!
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 06:02PM
I'm making it for any county of any country, however it's configurable. You can decide to limit it only for Finland if you want. Or only for i.e. Finland+Norway+Sweden.

It's almost ready, I need only to debug it.
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 07:37PM
Vau! I can only image what an enourmous job you have done!!!

I still have one question:
Is that type of geocache definited or can it be chosen? I mean is it always 10 traditional caches or 1 MEGA (like in my case) required or can someone have for example 10 mystery caches or 10 MEGAS?
I need to edit the description of the challenge a little bit.

But thank you very much!! What a great job!


(I might have also another idea as a challenge...
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 07:57PM
The script has about 320 lines written from scratch, only about 50 lines I copied from another scripts. But major problem is to debug it. Programs like this are hard to debug as they must do many cycles and the system on project-gc does not permits large logs, so I can see only a piece of it. And another big problem is the speed - I spend about half of the time of coding to search how to speed up the script finding some shortcut to reduce the combinations to check.

The types are flexible. So if someone finds 10 gigas, 9 megas, etc and only 1 traditional, it will be ok.
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 08:34PM
I think this challenge is great, although there can be counties from different countries. I’m very satisfied!
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 11:16PM
Now it should be ok. It was a problem introduced with a shortcut for speedup.

However, I seen that we have at least one common cache. I, as either you, have found in United Arab Emirates-دبي‎ GC7B7FV Burj Khalifa a Virtual Reward

best regards
Jet
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 07:58PM
From an outsider (Non-Finland) - I have checked this and not all found counties are in just one country -
I have noted that the UK counties (on the output) are our regions - for example Kent is a county which is in South East England region
UK only has 20 or so regions but nearly 70 counties
So UK would not have enough regions to enable qualification which is why I guess other countries were used, but I am not sure this was what the CO was after
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 09:13PM
wikipedia:
Kent is a county in South East England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent

so, where is the problem?
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 11:44PM
The original script output brought up Regions such as South East England NOT counties for the UK

However I now notice there has been a change and now shows counties

Thank you
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 07:03PM
UFF, this was hard. The main problem was with time. The script must verify millions of combinations, however I'm found a couple of shortcuts that speed up the script making only thousands of tries. Now it works.
As i've already wrote, actually the checker accepts counties of any country, but I can modify it. In the case when a country has not counties on project-gc, i.e. Romania, the regions is counted as county. In the case of countries without either regions and counties, i.e. Monaco or Vatican, entire country is counted as 1 county.

Try it here:
https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC8KGP2/49039

this is the code for the listing:
<a href="https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC8KGP2/49039"><img src="https://cdn2.project-gc.com/Images/Checker/49039"; title="Project-GC Challenge checker" alt="PGC Checker"></a>
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 08:48PM
I noticed one problem in my lists:

There is same cache in lists of Wherigos, Events and Earthcaches. Could you check that? (There is no hurry)

Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 08:50PM
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 19, 2020 10:28PM
seems that there is a bug yet, I'll check it tomorrow
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 20, 2020 07:54AM
It works!!! You are amazing!!!
Thanks, thanks, thanks!

Now you have to come and visit Yyteri, Finland! And log this challenge. :)

Hopefully reviewer in Finland approves those 10 types of geocaches (I didn't ask yet)! It would be possible (and quite easy) to change the number of types, isn't it?

How does this kind of idea of challenge sound like?:
You have to log caches from neigbour countries. This kind of 'pairs' you have to get for example 8. I haven't thought this through yet, because I have now only 4 those kind of 'pairs', but next summer we are going to travel a little. So it's not relevant today, but what do you think, could I continue with this idea?



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Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 20, 2020 08:30AM
>> You have to log caches from neigbour countries. This kind of 'pairs' you have to get for example 8. I haven't thought this through yet, because I have now only 4 those kind of 'pairs', but next summer we are going to travel a little. So it's not relevant today, but what do you think, could I continue with this idea?

I have similar challenge:
You must have found 5 pairs of caches. Every pairs must be of different type. Also, the distance between two caches of every pair must be at least 1000km
https://coord.info/GC74X8Q

However, it should be possible to make the rule like "N pairs of different type, the caches of the pair must be in different countries".

What you mean "neigbour" countries? The countries should be adjacent? Or should be adjacent to your home country or different of home country? The checker cannot check for your home country, but it's possible to consider the country with most finds as your home country. Obviously, the listing should define it correctly, so do not require the "home country", but the "country with most finds"
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 20, 2020 09:07AM
By 'Neighbour countries' I meant those adjacent countries, countries which have common borderline.

So you should make pairs of any adjacent country but you can use one country only once. So I make pairs like Finland and Norway, but I can't use those countries again. I have also Estonia and Latvia, or Oman and United Arab Emirates, or Portugal and Spain...

And make pairs you should log same kind of geocache from both adacent counrty. MAYBE those types of geocache should be different in different pairs. That could be too challenging though if you should collect 8 pairs? Maybe there should be only 6 pairs....

Idea isn't ready yet, as you can see :). What I needed to know now, was: is it possible to do that kind of checker?
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 20, 2020 10:04AM
the main problem of this challenge is, that you should provide list of adjacent countries. It is very laborious and sometimes the countries changes, so you should maintain the list updated. And sometimes the borders are not clear.

Google says:
The United Nations, for example, recognizes 241 countries and territories. The United States, however, officially recognizes fewer than 200 nations. Ultimately, the best answer is that there are 196 countries in the world.

I don't know how many countries are recognized by project-gc and geocaching.
So, you should provide and maintain table with about 200 lines per about 4-5 columns (adjacent countries) = about 1000 items.
I think, that this kind of challenge is impossible to check.

However, as the checker of this topic works well, I mark is as resolved
Re: Checker request for GC8KGP2
February 20, 2020 11:02AM
Great! Thanks.

And thank you for that information, I can now think that another challenge differently! I’ll get back to you with that idea someday!
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