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FTF on an event cache???

+6 votes
I've been looking around at stats in a number of different sections.(I'm off work and have a lot of spare time and cant actually cache much).

I've noticed that there are a number of geocachers that have made a FTF claim for event caches (MEGA, CITO and standard Events)... Is this normal? I've always thought that you cant really claim a FTF for an event.

You're opinions are more than welcome
asked Jan 6, 2017 in Miscellaneous by NSCR (4,540 points)
I personally think that FTF's on an event cache should not be judged by whoever is first to log it on the website.
FTF is very inappropriate for events. It's good that it's not done.

27 Answers

+2 votes
A few events I've been to have pulled out a name of a hat to determine who will be awarded the FTF. Some probably do it by the first person to sign the log - though that only really works if the event organiser doesn't bring other people.
answered Jan 6, 2017 by mole125 (Expert) (20,060 points)
+2 votes
There are some events of the competition type or race, where the geocachers compete for the first place, which is then awarded by FTF for that event. I attended some events like that.

But it depends on the event organizer and type of the event (creating lotery for FTF in the pub event does not make a lot of sense).
answered Jan 6, 2017 by Jakuje (Moderator) (105,080 points)
any brave reasons for downvote here?
+2 votes
usualy we accept first person that comes to attend an event, but it is discutable as event has different publish opinions than normal geocache, so people be preppared tfor hunt on ftf.

But... in my opinion is more discutable logging of attendance on event focused to some special activities (eg. hiking). there is lot cases where people comes to strating or finish position and log same attendance on even as the others that walk through whole track
answered Jan 6, 2017 by drobec (4,480 points)
+5 votes

On even standard, cito or mega, I have not seen a ftf and I do not see how to justify a ftf because it would have to define the criteria, which entered a room, or that sat down A grouping table ???
I do not know the type of rally or race?
My opinion is that without accurate criterion, no ftf on even

traduit du francais par google :

sur les even standard, cito ou mega, je n'ai pas vu de ftf et je ne vois pas trop comment justifier d'un ftf car il faudrait définir les critéres, qui est entré dans une salle, ou qui s'est assis a une table de regroupement ???

je ne connais pas les even type rallye ou course ?

mon avis est que sans critére précis, pas de ftf sur even

answered Jan 7, 2017 by Chup'a (11,160 points)
0 votes
Sometimes, the event's hosts accepts a global FTF for all peoples who attended. I'm not sure it's OK with the guidelines but i don't mind.
answered Jan 7, 2017 by DaneteYaourth (3,110 points)
+1 vote
I believe it is only ftf logg, if the Owner agrees, if all log as a team.

Ich glaube es geht nur ftf Logg, wenn der Owner einverstanden ist, wenn alle als Team Loggen.
answered Jan 7, 2017 by Minos2003 (4,760 points)
0 votes
I've claimed FTF on an event once in 1,035 FTFs.  I only claimed it because the event CO gave me her blessing.  I've never considered it before or after that one time.
answered Jan 8, 2017 by TerraViators (8,720 points)
+7 votes
Best answer
Some events we have been to have held some kind of competition for the first to find, others people claim it if they were the first one there (surely that should go to the host then!).

Ultimately though, the first to find isn't a recognised thing by Groundspeak, so people play by their own rules.
answered Jan 8, 2017 by Molemon (1,530 points)
selected Jan 8, 2017 by NSCR
+5 votes
This is new to me. I have attended a number of events (including CITO and MEGAs) and there has never been a discussion of 'FTF'. Usually one does not really have to 'find' an event so FTF does not make sense to me.
answered Jan 9, 2017 by Domino_67 (6,550 points)
+3 votes
We have hosted quite a few events now, including a CITO, and have attended well over 20 events (including several CiTO) at home and abroad, and the question of FTF has never seemed to arise at any of them. No-one has mentioned it or worried about it as a subject! So we don't think it is very important to most cachers in our local region.  

We always sign our event logbook first (but NOT as FTF), just to encourage others to do so!
answered Jan 10, 2017 by GCZ Team (19,940 points)
+5 votes
I have attended a number of events, CITO, GIGA and MEGA. There has never been a discussion of "FTF". Usually one does not really have to 'find' an event so FTF does not make sense.
If we start with FTE (First To Event) there are certainly a few crazy Geocachers strating camping in front of the event area ;-)
So FTF on a event - for me NOGO
answered Jan 11, 2017 by Sportsofa (2,290 points)
+4 votes

I agree with some of the comments regarding "finding" and event. You log an "attended" for an event, not a "found it" so claiming a "First to Find" doesn't seem right. Just my 2 cents.

answered Jan 11, 2017 by Mike Fitz (4,950 points)
+3 votes
What would be the criteria for such an FTF?

Finding a cache it is clear the first one in the logbook. On most events I attended the logbook doesn't play an important role. Typically it wanders from table to table and for late arrivers it circles several times.

More important is the community, Meeting with fellow cachers. Therefore I personally wouldn't like to put any kind of "race" in front of it. And if every attendent is allowed to log an FTF - what will an FTF be worth in the future.

So my 2 ct on this Topic, there shouldn't be a FTF on any Event. Even for Event with a Kind of competition I belive an honorable remark about the great performance of the first finishers plus the admiration of the others should be enough.

Regards,  Martin
answered Jan 13, 2017 by mag_muc (210 points)
0 votes
If the owner agrees, o.k., but i can't see any sense in logging an FTF at an event.
answered Jan 23, 2017 by Team Amelaender67 (290 points)
+1 vote
I removed my FTF on events.  Since you know the time and place it will be you can show up earlier.  I have been to an event where I left work and it only made sense to head towards the location.  There were no hides that I had not found in the area so I just went in and solved puzzle caches for an hour.  This isn't fair to anyone else for the FTF claim.  At what point do you camp out overnight at the location just to claim it.  But I do like the idea of a game or raffle for FTF.
answered Jan 31, 2017 by lostsole68 (170 points)
+1 vote
I had thought of that question a few weeks ago, nice to find some opinions here.

I admit, I have one FTF on an event: I arrived at the location at the same time as the Event CO, and we talked for 5 or 10 minutes until the other attendees arrived. He said to me, that I kind of have the FTF, so I logged it.

But I wouldn't (and have not since) log an event FTF, because it isn't a real "find" and even first in the logbook is not always the first one to attend.

If there's a competition/drawing or so and it'd be me: maybe.
answered Feb 14, 2017 by clappy (11,790 points)
+1 vote
I have never considered an event of any sort to be an acceptable cache when it comes to FTF - the reasons for me being
Events have timings - so someone gets there early, to be FTF ? well all that will do is create a situation where all the FTF hounds will get there earlier and earlier to get the FTF mantle - defeats the point of having a timing aspect to the event.

Is it then the person who turns up first after the alloted time ?

Can the CO who you would hope be there on time claim a FTF as with events COs can log these

Causes more confusion and issues than its worth - so for me events are out of the FTF equation

I have arrived at many events first but have never claimed any with FTF in my logs


answered Apr 15, 2017 by Deepdiggingmole (9,070 points)
0 votes
We think on an event it is not really importat who came first and get's his or her FTF. Events are there to meet people and talk about geocaching.
answered Apr 17, 2017 by willi&trine (2,200 points)
–1 vote
At all the events I have neem to the FTF prize is given using a random number generator. I dint have a problem with it. Creates excitement for the event.
answered Dec 7, 2017 by DARKSIDEDAN (3,660 points)
–1 vote
I will be offering a FTF prize of a Geocoin at my next few events plus the right to claim the event as a FTF.
answered Dec 10, 2017 by DARKSIDEDAN (3,660 points)