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how do you think about removing favoritpoints

+8 votes
I would like you to tell your opinin about removing favoritpoints from Caches that are gone.

I am not quit sure, if I shall do this. But when I will get inspired by the Lists, of Caches that have many Favoritpoints, I ask myself: why should I leave allready the Favoritpoint at a Cache that does not longer exist.

On the other side, the Cacheowner did something realy good, when he made all the work to manage the Geocache.... In fact someone damaged it so hard, that an maintanance is not longer possible, or the lokation is not longer in the shape to play the game there - that is not the fault of the Cacheowner and the honor, that is brought with the favoritpoints is the only honor that is possible.

Pleas dont get angry about this, because remember: It is "only" a game, that we all play together....

Best whises and all the best from glastiger
asked May 2, 2019 in Miscellaneous by glastiger_and_family (450 points)
Checking whether you have given a favorite point to a removed cache sounds like too much and too boring work.
I never remove favorites. If I give one favorite in cache, stay that archived or no.
Wow, after reading through all the posts, the consensus is NOT to remove FP once awarded.  This has helped me to understand the FPs better.  Thank you for posting.

26 Answers

+12 votes
We have awarded 500+ favourite points over the last 5 years and we have never taken any away at all, whether a cache has been archived or not. Once awarded, we leave the favourite point with that cache, because we think it deserved it when we awarded it, and despite circumstances which may affect its survival, we believe it should keep our awarded point at least!
answered May 2, 2019 by GCZ Team (19,760 points)
+6 votes
I do zhe same as GCZ Team. Once awarded the FP stays to the cache. At the moment I did it, the FP was a way to say thanks. That doesn't change only that the cache is archieved

And perhaps someone will try to get an archieved cache reactivated due to the FP.

So I let them in the Cache.
answered May 2, 2019 by supertwinfan (15,480 points)
0 votes
We always leave the FP with the cache, even if it is archived. However, I have withdrawn a few FPs in early caches, since we have developed ourselves, when we had more experience. In the early days of the hobby, we still found things good that we later normal. But now, we leave the FP with the cache
answered May 2, 2019 by Team Grautvornix (720 points)
+4 votes
For my part, I do not remove favourites points that I attributed to a cache because it is archived. As you said, if I attributed a FP to a cache, this is because the owner did a great job and I don't know why I should remove my FP
answered May 3, 2019 by Squall_Leonhart (790 points)
+2 votes
Same answer as most of the other answers: when I give a favorite Point it shall stay with the cache even after archiving.
answered May 5, 2019 by H_M_A (1,710 points)
0 votes
If you really want to remove a favorite Point from any cache you had given the FP before you are free to do so - even when this cache is already archived. It should work.
answered May 5, 2019 by H_M_A (1,710 points)
–4 votes
Owners who have withdrawn from this hobby and their caches have been archived.
These points have become worthless to everyone.
I took this FP back to give these caches to other caches.

Owner die sich aus diesem Hobby zurückgezogen haben und ihre Caches archiviert wurden.
Diese Punkte sind wertlos für alle geworden.
Diese FP habe ich zurück genommen, um andere Caches diese Punkte zu geben.
answered May 5, 2019 by Minos2003 (4,760 points)
How do you know a owner have withdrawn from this hobby for sure? He could be just spending less time creating nice caches for ungrateful group of cachers that broke his previous caches.
Or they may have had other reasons to withdraw the cache, without withdrawing from geocaching. I've seen it a couple of times with my own caches: when one of my caches was archived, some people would withdraw their favourite points given to that cache. To me it feels a bit like being robbed from well-earned favourite points. Like the cache that once was and was received well now is in oblivion.
+7 votes
Personally I cant see the point (pun unintended) of removing favorite points. I left a FP for the experience I had when I found that cache, anything that happens after that point is irrelevant to my experience of that cache. FP's are used for challenge caches, badge stats and whatever else. They arent that hard to earn, and TBH I tend to earn them at a somewhat faster rate than I can genuinely give them out (currently 351 days into a find streak, so there's a lot of drive-by's earning me FP's I havent had the need to use).

Personally, I would rather FP's be locked in once give (or maybe 24 afters after given, just in case mistakes are made).
answered May 6, 2019 by BFMC (3,570 points)
+2 votes
I don't remove FPs that I have given out. The FP is as much a reward for the CO as for the specific cache.
answered May 7, 2019 by pinkunicorn (Moderator) (152,990 points)
+6 votes
I've had a favorite point removed from an archived cache during the last cache carnival, guess they were running low on favorites to give out to friends or something. I've never removed a favorite and don't plan to, if the cache was deserving then it shouldn't be penalized for being archived, the owner can still see the stats and it affects their FP badge on PGC.
answered May 8, 2019 by Mike Fitz (4,950 points)
0 votes
I think you have to left there, domě owners care about their archived caches.
answered May 10, 2019 by Ficule (820 points)
+1 vote
I do the same as most of the others. Once I give a favourite point I do not remove it - as already mentioned there was a good reason for that at that time which does not disappear. Owners should be able to rely on FP once received and even apparently retired owners may get back to geocaching one day, and then should be able to continue.
answered May 14, 2019 by Domino_67 (6,550 points)
+3 votes
I give FP because I like this cache in this moment. Later if it will be archived I don't remove it, because the cache was good in that pass live.
answered Aug 18, 2019 by Ariberna (1,570 points)
+2 votes

As most of the other cachers I don`t remove FP. When I think a cache "needs" a FP - it`s the decision for eternity. (even after archiving)

answered Aug 18, 2019 by supertwinfan (15,480 points)
+3 votes

I don't retro-remove favorite points.

However, I understand the two schools of thought:

1.  REWARD:  points are awarded to cache owners for a job well done and also as a memory for the finders.

2.  SERVICE:  points are searchable/filterable for potential finders as a gauge for quality targets.

answered Aug 21, 2019 by TerraViators (8,720 points)
0 votes
I think should not be possible. Before giving a point the cacher should think if we he really like to give this point. If you need more just find new caches.
answered Sep 21, 2019 by GoD_ArnDoran (650 points)
+1 vote
I give favourite points to the caches not specifically the cacher, though the cacher will get the blue heart if they have made the effort - if a cache has brought me to a great location or was really fun to find or the container was well contsructed then it will likely get a fav point.
If that cache gets archived then for me the location, the fun I had or the memory of the well constructed cache has not changed and so I will not and do not remove fav points

I come across many more film pots at base of posts or bottom of trees than well constructed caches an so have several fav points in hand and unlikely to run out.

I owned a webcam cache that through no fault of mine or indeed the camera or web-link, had to be archived. Since that point I have noticed the fav point count go down. It does frustrate me that people do this - but have no control over it. It would be nice if fav points get locked in when a cache gets archived.

An aside :-  to show that fav points are with caches not cachers - when you adopt a cache out the fav points go with the cache to the new owner, they don't stay with the original CO :-)
answered Oct 21, 2019 by Deepdiggingmole (8,640 points)
+2 votes

I never remove them. They are awarded for the merits of the cache at the time it was found. Even if archived later, the cache was still deserving of a FP at the time.

answered Oct 23, 2019 by Funky_Boris (9,660 points)
–2 votes
I only remove them from archived caches if the CO is obviously inactive (ie not found anything or visited for ages), and the cache has had to be archived by a reviewer. In that situation they are better off on another cache.
answered Oct 31, 2019 by lee737 (2,420 points)
+1 vote
It's easy for me:
If I liked a cache because of listings, the riddle, the information or of course a great final and I would like to reward the owner's work, I forgive a favoritepoint.
That should not have to be revised. I can not imagine a real reason to want to undo this retrospectively.
Even if maybe I'm angry with another cache of the same owner. But no matter - the previous one was great and had earned its favorite point.
So I have never and will never undo a given favorite point.
answered Nov 1, 2019 by supertwinfan (15,480 points)