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Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000

[Resolved] GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 12, 2021 05:32PM
Hello!
I would like to place a challenge cache that has as log requirement 1.000 finds in three countries each, which share a common border or a tripoint.
This applies in particular to Germany/France/Switzerland, but should be applicable anywhere.
In Europe alone, there are 48 international tripoints, the twelve closest to the cache location being:
* Germany/Switzerland/France
* Germany/Austria/Switzerland
* Switzerland/Liechtenstein/Austria (twice)
* Switzerland/France/Italy
* Germany/France/Luxembourg
* Switzerland/Italy/Austria
* France/Belgium/Luxembourg
* Germany/Luxembourg/Belgium
* Germany/Belgium/Netherlands
* Germany/Austria/Czech Republic
* Germany/Poland/Czech Republic
* France/Spain/Andorra

Is this feasible?
Thank you for your help!

As far as the guidelines are concerned, I have contacted a reviewer who okayed it.

8tentacles
(Germany)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2021 05:47PM by 8tentacles. (view changes)
Re: GC997YHC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 12, 2021 05:58PM
This challenge has to be worked out more.
Just mentioning 48 tripoints is not good enough because you have to realize that for instance the tripoint France/Spain/Andorra does not work.
Andorra has only 372 active caches

Like wise for Switzerland/Liechtenstein/Austria
Liechtenstein has only 283 active caches

So please supply us with the complete list of tripoints in Europe which are acceptable taken in consideration the above constraint
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 12, 2021 06:40PM
Hello vogelbird,
you are right, I didn't consider if a country even has enough geoaches to "qualify" for this challenge.
The list of twelve tripoints was put together strictly with geography in mind, not geocaching.
I will put together the list as requested, which will be less than the 48 mentioned, minus two, at least.
When I have it finished, I will post it here.
Thank you!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2021 05:47PM by 8tentacles. (view changes)
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 12, 2021 09:18PM
Hello vogelbird,
I researched this issue based on two sets of information:
* a list of tripoints in Europe (wikipedia article in German, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreiländerecke_Europas) and
* the number of ACTIVE geocaches by country (as of today), using the project-gc database (https://project-gc.com/Statistics/Overview?).

A case could be made to consider archived geocaches too, since finds count permanently and independently of geocache status, but I didn't for the time being. Also, the drop-off in the number of geocaches placed is rather sudden, with Russia just below the threshold.

As a results, of the 48 tripoints, 46 are unique, with CH/FL/AT and FR/ESP/AND having two tripoints each (and Andorra therefore canceling Spain out, unfortunately).
Of those 46 remaining, 21 tripoints are made up of countries where there are at least 1.000 active geocaches in each of them. On the contrary, for 25 tripoints there is at least one country that doesn't have 1.000 active geocaches.

Here are the two lists, first the 21 tripoints with a minimum of 1.000 geocaches in each country:

D/CH/FR - Germany/Switzerland/France
D/AT/CH - Germany/Austria/Switzerland
CH/FR/IT - Switzerland/France/Italy
D/FR/LUX - Germany/France/Luxembourg
CH/IT/AT - Switzerland/Italy/Austria
FR/BE/LUX - France/Belgium/Luxembourg
D/LUX/BE - Germany/Luxembourg/Belgium
D/BE/NL - Germany/Belgium/Netherlands
D/AT/CZ - Germany/Austria/Czechia
D/PL/CZ - Germany/Poland/Czechia
AT/SK/CZ - Austria/Slovakia/Czechia
AT/SK/HU - Austria/Slovakia/Hungary
AT/SLO/HU - Austria/Slovenia/Hungary
BG/GR/TR - Bulgaria/Greece/Turkey
FIN/N/SWE - Finnland/Norway/Sweden
IT/AT/SLO - Italy/Austria/Slovenia
HR/SLO/HU - Croatia/Slovenia/Hungary
PL/SK/CZ - Poland/Slovakia/Czechia
PL/SK/UA - Poland/Slovakia/Ukraine
RO/UA/HU - Romania/Ukraine/Hungary
SK/UA/HU - Slovakia/Ukraine/Hungary


The 25 tripoints where one country is below 1.000, by country codes:
CH/FL/AT
FR/ESP/AND
AL/GR/MK
AL/RKS/MK
AL/RKS/MNE
BIH/HR/MNE
BIH/HR/SRB
BIH/MNE/SRB
BG/GR/MK
BG/MK/SRB
BG/RO/SRB
EST/LV/RUS
FIN/N/RUS
RKS /MNE/SRB
RKS/MK/SRB
HR/SRB/HU
LV/RUS/BY
LT/LV/BY
LT/PL/RUS
LT/PL/BY
MD/PMR/UA
MD/RO/UA
PL/UA/BY
RO/SRB/HU
RUS/UA/BY

Finally, the list of all countries with their respective number of active geocaches, alphabetically and numeric:
# Country # of caches active(12.04.2021)
1 Albania 94
2 Andorra 372
3 Austria 52.268
4 Belarus 181
5 Belgium 42.492
6 Bosnia and Herzegovina 233
7 Bulgaria 2.375
8 Croatia 5.971
9 Czech Republic 63.684
10 Estonia 4.173
11 Finnland 70.662
12 France 302.159
13 Germany 410.144
14 Greece 5.363
15 Hungary 7.742
16 Italy 31.137
17 Kosovo ?
18 Latvia 6.266
19 Liechtenstein 283
20 Lithuania 7.207
21 Luxembourg 3.933
22 Moldova 63
23 Montenegro 144
24 Netherlands 40.897
25 North Macedonia 258
26 Norway 90.979
27 Poland 52.355
28 Romania 4.456
29 Russia 978
30 Russia (Kaliningrad)
31 Serbia 469
32 Slovakia 18.684
33 Slovenia 5.337
34 Spain 94.144
35 Sweden 126.846
36 Switzerland 35.679
37 Transistria ?
38 Turkey 1.459
39 Ukraine 1.186


Country # of caches active(12.04.2021)
Germany 410.144
France 302.159
Sweden 126.846
Spain 94.144
Norway 90.979
Finnland 70.662
Czech Republic 63.684
Poland 52.355
Austria 52.268
Belgium 42.492
Netherlands 40.897
Switzerland 35.679
Italy 31.137
Slovakia 18.684
Hungary 7.742
Lithuania 7.207
Latvia 6.266
Croatia 5.971
Greece 5.363
Slovenia 5.337
Romania 4.456
Estonia 4.173
Luxembourg 3.933
Bulgaria 2.375
Turkey 1.459
Ukraine 1.186
Russia 978
Serbia 469
Andorra 372
Liechtenstein 283
North Macedonia 258
Bosnia and Herzegovina 233
Belarus 181
Montenegro 144
Albania 94
Moldova 63
Kosovo ?
Russia (Kaliningrad)
Transistria ?

I hope this is complete and detailed enough for you to work with.
Thank you and good night for now!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2021 05:48PM by 8tentacles. (view changes)
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 13, 2021 04:07AM
Hello vogelbird,
as a follow up-idea: would it be possible to count the number of tripoint a geocacher has achieved by combining his finds in different, obviously neighboring, countries?
This wouldn't focus as much on the number of finds (1.000), as on the number of countries visited; though I don't want to create just another country challenge.
As it is right now, quite a few geocachers are excluded, assuming their home country isn't above 1.000 active hides.
Lowering the number of finds to say 500 won't change much in terms of countries, but would increase the number of people who qualify.

Have a great day!
8tentacles



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2021 05:48PM by 8tentacles. (view changes)
Re: GC997YHC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 13, 2021 12:33PM
Sorry, I missed your last post so I concentrated on th 3 x 1000 tripoint

Here is a checker for this https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC997YH/60025
however I only used the 21 tripoints with a minimum of 1.000 geocaches in each country because with the others I run in difficulties with 2.12.12. All or Percentage of caches of the guidelines

Please test and reply
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 13, 2021 12:48PM
Hello vogelbird!
I applied the checker and it gave me back my current finds for Germany, France and Switzerland:

8tentacles has found required number of caches (1000) of the required number of types (1) in each of 3 countries (required number of countries: 3).Filters:( country (Germany , Switzerland , France) )
Switzerland: 3436
Germany: 2930
France: 1095
8tentacles fulfills challenge ? (GC997YH) according to https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC997YH/60025

In addition, I also got 20x "No" for the other tripoints included in your script - works perfectly!
Thank you so much for putting this together, it's very much appreciated.

8tentacles



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2021 05:50PM by 8tentacles. (view changes)
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 13, 2021 05:56PM
Hello vogelbird,

I just realized I had a typo in my initial post, when I wrote the GC-Code as "GC997YHC" and got my two most recent geocaches mixed up.
It should have been "GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000" for this one, with the other being "GC997YH Sky High Challenge".

The link for this challenge (Three country) now has the wrong code in the address (url):
https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC997YH/60025
when ist should be
https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC997YC/60025

The other is correct:
https://project-gc.com/Challenges/GC997YH/59976

Is this problem and can it be fixed?
I am sorry for this mistake.

8tentacles
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
April 13, 2021 07:28PM
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
September 02, 2021 06:25PM
Hello vogelbird,
regarding this CC you created for me (GC997YC), I am having trouble getting it published, with the reviewer claiming it isn't in accordance with the guidelines. While I don't exactly understand the problem he sees, we found a compromise: instead of covering all 21 European tripoints involving countries with at least 1.000 active geocaches, the challenge will be limited to all tripoints that include Germany, which brings the number to seven tripoints only.

So the requirement will be:
"Find at least 1,000 caches each in three neighboring countries that together form a border triangle, for a total of 3,000 geocaches. One of the three countries involved must be Germany."

This specifically means the following seven tripoints with German participation:
* Germany / Switzerland / France
* Germany / Austria / Switzerland
* Germany / France / Luxembourg
* Germany / Luxembourg / Belgium
* Germany / Belgium / Netherlands
* Germany / Austria / Czech Republic
* Germany / Poland / Czech Republic

Would you please adapt the challenge checker accordingly and remove the 14 tripoints that will not be included going forward? I wanted to make this us inclusive as possible, but no such luck.
Thank you for your help!
8tentacles
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
September 03, 2021 05:14PM
Checker adjusted
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
September 04, 2021 09:07PM
Hello vogelbird,
thank you for your direct action and reply.
I think the checker works just fine, it came back with my correct find stats for all countries which are part of this.
Only the name of the geocache doesn't show on the page.
Instead I see this: "GC997YC - ? () ", with the brackets were the name should be.
I will adapt the listing and submit it for publishing.
Thanks again, 8tentacles
Re: GC997YC Three country Challenge - 3 x 1.000
September 05, 2021 10:10AM
Project-GC doesn't have access to unpublished caches hence the "?" you see there now. As soon as your challenge cache is published (or within a reasonable time thereafter), your cache name (and country where it resides) will be shown there
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